Curse

Enko · Apr 26, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

YAY! AFK WEEKEND!

I just hope the tickets I accumulated LAST board-walk weekend are still valid.... or else I will have wasted a whole shedload of money (I bought 100k of them).... Token Storage Stan finally gets a bit of his inventory freed up! ...

And with any luck, maybe I'll be able to get my Unlucky title to rank 3 ... [and possibly get the first rank of Lucky, since it actually has a purpose now... ¬_¬]...

O'course we'd need about 10 of these weekends for me to max my Unlucky title track.... annoyingly enough. v_v; .... We just don't get enough oppurtunities any more.

how come you just don't sell them to the merchant? their buy/sell prices are the same. 15 gold to buy, 15 gold to sell back.

SotiCoto · Apr 26, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Enko

how come you just don't sell them to the merchant? their buy/sell prices are the same. 15 gold to buy, 15 gold to sell back.

*Shrugs* ... No idea really.
I just bought too many and figured I might as well hold onto them until the next event rather than having to destock and restock. I made a special PvP Paragon just to store them...

Token Storage Stan is SO gay. ^_^

[He also has quite a few Lunar Tokens left over from the Pig-day event... and I have NO idea what to do with those.]

Ouchie · Apr 26, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Tozen

I wish the minis were available based upon account creation time... I deleted and remade some of my original characters when Factions came out. (Didn't like how they looked)

Or perhaps a gift for hours spent in game as an actual b-day present

BenjZee · Apr 26, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

theres something about the Mahk part that makes me thing its these minis will have a total different feature to them

Kha · Apr 26, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Forjo

But I believe that they ALSO did these things to make the game more attractive to us and other customers and thereby increase sales. When new players see older players getting perks, they want them too. And if current players see that by sticking around and not deleting their characters they get cool(?) stuff, then they're more likely to, ahem, stick around and not delete their character.

Of course additions they make to the game are to keep us happy and wanting to play the game. There's no question about that. Mini-pets are no different. But they are still gifts because there's no requirement that they give us anything for our characters becoming a year older. They could spend the money/resources on other things, but still they choose to give us birthday presents and acknowledge our support of their game.

The fact that someone got paid to make the code doesn't mean anything. Companies give their products away as gifts to events and charities all the time. This doesn't lessen the value of the gift because they had to pay their employees to make them. Even people give gifts to their friends and family with other meanings than just to show that they love and care for them; not only do they get the satisfaction of the receiver liking the gift, it also means that the receiver continues to like the person that gave the gift.

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Originally Posted by Forjo

But how much more valuable would the rewards be if they were a) more in line with what more people want, and b) something that couldn't simply be purchased by other players.

If mini-pets are what people didn't ask for, then yes I agree it's kind of sad that that's what we're getting. But again, it's a gift, and I appreciate the fact that they do anything for us. The fact that it couldn't be purchased by others has benefits and drawbacks. The last thing I want is to be stuck with a gift that I didn't vote for on one of their polls, or just didn't want. Selling the mini-pets is like returning a gift at a store (in theory). I don't feel any shame or insult to ANet when I do it. I appreciate that they gave me something, but if they aren't going to get me what I personally like (impossible to do considering the thousands of subscribers) then I have all the right to trade it for something I do want. If I don't keep the mini-pet, then they're providing me with the means to help obtain something I do want for my character's birthday.

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Originally Posted by Forjo

Please read my original post. I simply stated that I'm disappointed, stated why, and wondered why Anet made the decision they did. It's unfortunate that you feel so compelled to judge my "understanding as ... sad" simply because you seem to believe I don't have the right to be disappointed.

Is that your contention? That I have no right to be disappointed? Or that I have no right to express that disappointment?

If you do, I just might have to make a judgement of my own.

Don't interpret my words for your own pleasure of playing the hurt victim here. No where did I say you had no right to be disappointed or had no right to express your disappointment. No where did I mention that no one has the right to be disappointed. I merely argued your reason and logic for saying these weren't gifts.

I myself am disappointed that it's mini-pets because I'm not a fan of them really, but I'm not going to through temper-tantrums on a fansite forum to let everyone else know this (not saying that's you, but I am saying that it's some of the over-dramatic people on here). I only have two mini-pets: the very first one I received, a Jade Armor, cause it kind of has sentimental meaning since it was the first, and a Temple Guardian that I traded my Necrid Horseman for. I've never bought any others because I don't really like any of them (besides the ones Asia got).

And yet I'm not disappointed. I kind of like the birthday presents to all be the same thing (mini-pets) and have different series for each year celebrated. It gives it consistency. And like I said before, if I don't like the present, then ANet has provided me a way of getting some extra money to go and get something I do want. Of course, with my luck, I'll probably get the boring ones again :/

MSecorsky · Apr 26, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Forjo

Your example is compelling, but not quite accurate. The coding IS the giving. So for your example to apply, one would have had to have been paid to GIVE the TV. Who made it isn't the issue and since are talking about a "gift" of code, my logic is sound.

From Dictionary.com:

gift
-noun
1. something given voluntarily without payment in return, as to show favor toward someone, honor an occasion, or make a gesture of assistance; present.

The minipet is not given voluntarily -- someone recieved a small portion of the money I and you spent on the product to write the code that causes a minipet to appear in the inventory of our character.

I would beg to differ... the minipet is indeed given voluntarily. The coders of which you speak were not given money to produce minipets. They receive a salary and received a directive from the company to produce these items as gifts rather than work on products that would increase company revenues. The company ordered the creation of the gifts at the expense of other products, and did to willingly and voluntarily. Who they had do it is actually irrelevant... there's practically always someone getting paid somehow for every 'gift' produced.

The gift is from ANet, not the programmers.

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I respect that you disagree with me. That is your right. But please be respectful in your responses.

-Forjo

You are of course correct and I offer my apologies.

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 26, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Relax folks, for all we know, we could be getting new minis that never seen before and won't be offered to anyone unless they're on their 2nd birthday. Beside, it's the company's decision to make mini pets for the 2nd birthday.

Just be happy that we're getting something for keeping our characters this long for over two years.

Ouchie · Apr 26, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Forjo

I believe that they ALSO did these things to make the game more attractive to us and other customers and thereby increase sales. When new players see older players getting perks, they want them too. And if current players see that by sticking around and not deleting their characters they get cool(?) stuff, then they're more likely to, ahem, stick around and not delete their character.

-Forjo

IMHO these 2nd year minis only cater to a small group. They do not make new players want them because they have absolutely no value by the time a new player can get them.

I feel sorry for the people who supported Factions (a stand alone game ) from day one and will most likely only get a pet they could buy for 5-10K

and then the people who supported Nightfall ( a stand alone game) from day one who by the time they get their first mini pet B-day present will find there are so many everywhere they have no value whatsoever.

Personally I believe on a yearly note the mini's should be retired and a new set become available, thus preserving a sense of something special in what everyone receives, not just a few thousand out of millions.

Sleeve · Apr 26, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

from reading the scribe, it sounds to me like we'll be getting something along the lines of a title as well.

Knightsaber Sith · Apr 26, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Sleeve

from reading the scribe, it sounds to me like we'll be getting something along the lines of a title as well.

If I may inquire, which part exactly hints at that O.o

Sleeve · Apr 26, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

If I may inquire, which part exactly hints at that O.o

the very last line "or share illuminations of it via your own scrolls and letters."

ofcourse, that could always just be their own little cryptic way of saying "message your buddies to brag!"

i'll just hope for a new emote or title though lol

Fates · Apr 26, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Boo, more stupid minis taking up storage space.

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 26, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

It doesn't take any storage space, just open your present and sell it quickly for some profits!!

mazik · Apr 26, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Sleeve

the very last line "or share illuminations of it via your own scrolls and letters."

ofcourse, that could always just be their own little cryptic way of saying "message your buddies to brag!"

i'll just hope for a new emote or title though lol

I think by 'scrolls and letters' he means forum posts and screen shots. Don't think there will be a title.

Also, guys c'mon, it's a gift and if you think the game is lesser because you didn't get what you wanted for a 2nd birthday then go play something else and maybe grow up a little while you're at it.

I for one am quite pleased with new mini pets as I think they are a fun little addition to the game

teenchi · Apr 26, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Illumination could possibly mean some kind of aura like Bambi? Yes, no, maybe?

I'm thankful anything really, I think it's fun. As far as the mini goes, I think that's cool too, if you don't want it clogging storage, sell it. As previous posters have mentioned, quit crying about what you are GETTING, how many video games actually go out of their way for special things like this?

I love what someone said about comparing the complainers to spoiled brats who get a car for their b-day but cry about it being the wrong color.

savage vapor 33 · Apr 26, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

How bout instead of talking about what is considered a gift or not, some1 care to ponder what they think the mini will be? a special aura or special "illumination"?

I think its gonna be a storm djinn. That would be sweet.

savage vapor 33 · Apr 26, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

EDIT: Sorry Lag double post.

DFrost · Apr 26, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by teenchi

I love what someone said about comparing the complainers to spoiled brats who get a car for their b-day but cry about it being the wrong color.

So true, actually this thing is starting to remind me of George Carlin's "Complaints and Grievances" skit

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 26, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Imagine if everyone gotten the same mini pet! I'll be laughing!!

Ethereal Angel · Apr 26, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

I won't make any assumptions about Anet's other updates. However, I won't sit back and keep my mouth shut about 2 year presents.

Congrats, you've helped make Guild Wars an awesome game by supporting it for the past two years, buying all campaigns, etc. We're going to give you something very cool. A generic Mini-Pet that you can just trade to someone who's willing to fork the dough over.

As a two year vet and active player of Guild Wars, I'm insulted. I was really hoping for something more substantial. I've been a dedicated player and I was hoping Anet would be a bit more thankful than to say "hey, here's ANOTHER mini-pet".

Did Gaile not see the post about 2 year present ideas. I remember reading the thread thinking, "wow, other people don't want mini-pets either, GREAT".

Anyway, to the point of the matter:

A unique TWO YEAR title, or "Guild Wars Vet" some kind of silly "only two year players get one" gift should be added. Something that's not tradeable. Something that shows the community how dedicated you are. That's my suggestion. I'm opening it up to anyone else who's insulted by the presents (mini-pets), as well as CONSTRUCTIVE ideas about what should've been done. I don't see adding a title as difficult. They can add pets based on creation date, why not make an account wide title/aura/ SOMETHING.! Thanks!